John Barnes arrives for our interview with a lively demeanor, dressed smartly after just reaching Wembley Stadium for the latest Grassroots Football Awards.

‘You’re looking ready for summer,’ he remarks, as we step out from the awards room for a quick discussion. He mentions he traveled down from Liverpool this morning and plans to head back after the Community Shield event.

It’s an extremely hot day in the city. Liverpool aims to secure their first trophy of the season with their impressive new players in the starting lineup (spoiler: they were unsuccessful) while Crystal Palace seeks to momentarily forget their disappointment from the Europa League elimination, just a day before receiving the verdict of their appeal (spoiler: they faced disappointment as well).

‘It’s not just about creating professional footballers,’ he expresses. ‘Most kids won’t achieve that. It’s about providing them with chances to play, grow, and learn. That’s what the FA focuses on – offering opportunities and facilities.’

‘When I first came to England, there were many youth clubs and volunteers doing similar work—not for financial gain, but because parents wanted their children to have growth opportunities. That’s the crucial aspect—not the awards, but the initiative.’

Barnes strives to emphasize how significant these awards are. Why wouldn’t he? He began his journey there and reached the top. Now, reflecting back, he wishes others could have the same chance he once had.

‘I played for Liverpool for 10 years,’ he adds. ‘They are a socialist clubs that understands the football family is not just about the superstars.

‘When you talk about the family of football, it is not just about the players, it is about the people who do this kind of work and it is great to see they are getting rewarded.’

Conversation turns to Liverpool and their summer business. There’s been plenty of it – the imminent signing of Italian defender Giovanni Leoni with take their spending past £320million.

There’s plenty more to be spent, though. So it seems, anyway – one bid for Newcastle’s Alexander Isak has been rebuffed and the player is desperate for the move. He would cost well north of £100million if the deal was to be completed. 

‘It doesn’t really make sense to me,’ Barnes says of the saga. ‘Once upon a time, a player played for the club and if he signed and came to the club, you didn’t have this uncertainty as to whether he is going to come or if he is going to go. 

‘With or without Isak, Liverpool will still be fantastic. With Isak, it will make them stronger, but only time will tell. I feel sorry for Newcastle, it is unsettling for them more than any other club. For Liverpool, he either goes or he doesn’t’ – Newcastle have to reintegrate him.’

That is how the world goes round now, unfortunately for Barnes. The football world, anyway. Player power is at an all-time high, and they can somewhat demand transfers.

Isak could go onto become one of Liverpool’s best no 9s ever. We may be getting ahead of ourselves here, but he has the talent, is still only 25, and the Reds clearly have the trust in him. That hasn’t stopped his actions leaving a sour taste in Barnes’ mouth, however.

‘It is not new, we have seen it in the last five, six, seven years where players are playing for a move and then they don’t train, don’t turn up,’ Barnes adds. ‘I am not a big fan of it. If you are playing for a club, you have a responsibility to be a good team-mate and character, the fans have been great to you, but this is modern football.

‘I am not a big fan of this to be honest with you – it could work in favour for Liverpool in terms of him coming, but, after the club has served him well, there are ways to do something and I don’t like the idea of players not training or turning up for something if they want to move. But this is modern football and we have to get used to it.’

The conversation turns back to the Grassroots Awards as we come to the end of the chat. I wish him well for the day – it will be a busy one.

‘It’s been going on for a long time now,’ he says as we prepare to part ways. ‘You have to give the opportunities for kids who are not going to be professional footballers.

‘The academies can take them, but what happens to the others? It’s great to see the FA have this directive. Back when I came to England you had a lot of youth clubs. It’s all about the opportunity.’