UFO whistleblower David Grusch has claimed that “at least a dozen” craft crashed during apparent clashes between gray and reptilian aliens—a revelation that left Joe Rogan visibly stunned.
Grusch, a former intelligence officer who now helps lawmakers pursue greater UFO transparency, made the extraordinary allegation during a recent episode of The Joe Rogan Experience.
In 2023, Grusch testified under oath that the US government had secretly operated programs for decades to recover and reverse-engineer spacecraft of non-human origin.
When asked whether non-human intelligences, or NHI, might be engaged in a war in Earth’s skies, Grusch said officials had documented what appeared to be conflict. “It looks like conflict. It smells like conflict,” he said.
Grusch said he had received briefings about crash sites where the bodies of reptilian and gray beings were allegedly recovered. “So the grays and reptilians were duking it out,” Rogan replied.
“I guess,” Grusch answered, raising his arms. Rogan reacted with disbelief, saying: “Whoa. It sounds f****** crazy, David.”
Grusch repeatedly stressed that he had not personally witnessed the reported crashes or alien bodies. He said his account was based on files concerning highly classified programs, videos and statements from government and military insiders.
The US military and the White House, however, have maintained for decades that no physical evidence has been found proving the existence of UFOs or alien life.
UFO whistleblower David Grusch claims that “at least a dozen” craft crashed during apparent battles between gray and reptilian aliens (above, artist’s impression), leaving Joe Rogan stunned.
Grusch told Rogan that he knew of “at least a dozen or two” crashes allegedly connected to apparent conflicts between non-human beings.
Rogan then asked what kind of craft had reportedly been discovered alongside a dead reptilian body. Grusch replied that it was a Tic Tac-shaped object.
The description echoes the 2004 encounter off Southern California, when Commander David Fravor said he and his crew observed a smooth, white object resembling a Tic Tac breath mint.
The object was estimated to be about 40 to 45 feet long and reportedly had no visible wings, tail, control surfaces or exhaust.
The conversation later shifted to the alleged appearance of reptilian beings, with Grusch repeating a description he said had come from a friend.
He described one type as “seven-foot-plus” with “sort of gorilla-looking skin,” while adding that others were more humanoid in appearance.
Grusch also spoke about reports of gray beings in different sizes, including taller figures and “little tiny ones.”
When Rogan suggested that the smaller figures could be androids, Grusch said that possibility had also been considered within the alleged program.
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The reptilian theory—that shape-shifting reptilian aliens secretly control Earth—gained widespread attention through conspiracy theorist David Icke in the late 20th century (stock image).
Grusch emphasized that he had never personally seen the alleged reptilian beings and was instead relying on other people’s accounts and audiovisual material.
Asked how he had viewed the footage, Grusch declined to describe the arrangements in detail, calling them “kind of sketchy” and saying they were designed to “keep everybody safe.”
He also said he was withholding details to protect people who had supplied information, claiming some had been physically threatened.
Grays and reptilians have been claimed to be two of the four alien types that were discussed in a 2025 hearing on Capitol Hill.
In a briefing, physicist Dr Eric Davis, known for his work on top-secret Pentagon projects, stunned listeners by referencing alleged alien species, ‘Grays, Nordics, Insectoids, and Reptilians,’ as potential operators of unidentified craft.
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Former Air Force Major David Grusch, a UFO whistleblower, was interviewed by podcast host Joe Rogan on September 30
An alleged alien race known as the Nordics is said to have human-like features (Stock Image)
Davis described these entities as humanoid, approximately human-sized, and possibly linked to classified reverse-engineering programs.
Missouri Representative Eric Burlison, a member of the House Oversight Committee and UAP caucus, prompted the discussion, revealing on The Endless Void with Kristin Fisher that he had heard these same four classifications in private briefings.
‘I’ve heard those four classifications discussed in meetings in this office by others,’ Burlison said.
‘But what I wasn’t expecting was for him to say it. I wasn’t expecting Eric Davis, you know, a respected scientist, to say that.’
Burlison, a self-described skeptic, admitted uncertainty about Davis’s sources, noting the physicist’s comments may stem from firsthand knowledge or secondhand reports.
‘If true, this would be a paradigm-shifting moment,’ Burlison said. ‘But if it is true, the government has no right to keep such a secret from the public it serves.’
